By https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/158436/the-future-trembles
I know that I often enthuse about Helena de Groot and Poetry Off the Shelf but, trust me, this one really bears listening to. These two go deep. And then deeper.
Do yourself a favor. Download it to your phone, put your earbuds in and have a close listen. I believe you will be very glad that you did.
Open Arts Spring 2023 